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Hargett Place, April 2017

The first wave of at are almost finished. Lined up on Bloodworth Street, shown above, these units are being shown to potential residents now and more units are coming together on East Street.

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The website shows 3/5 of that row sold already. The end unit certainly looks occupied…(5/19 sold apparently too)

@ Mark: end unit is a model.

Looking at this photo in juxtaposition with the banner photo makes me wish that these brownstones were more contiguous with the core of the urban grid. Imagine these facing Moore Square.

Arthur, I’m not disputing so much as asking why would the website show both end units as sold if that is the case? http://www.hargettplace.com/lifestyle/gallery/siteplan/

John532, I remember in our discussion about 222 The Saint vs Hargett Place sales you made a good point about they lack of actual row house feel to this whole project. I just want to add my agreement, that I would rather have seen say, the Hargett facing entrance with another unit or some other arrangement to get away with one curb cut….maybe the City required two…not sure. Townhouses facing a park would also be pretty nice. It would be nice to have a whole district of row houses and brown stones, even modern ones…it aggravates me to no end that a city as old as Raleigh does’t have even one block of row houses..Even Greensboro has one https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0713414,-79.7854031,3a,75y,103.6h,89.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIet8gQV2DZa3cuE6UFZKpA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

@Mark,
Yeah, I know that I haven’t been very popular with my opinions about this project. Certainly the product as an object looks nice but the whole site plan and context makes me crazy, especially at that price point. Even if the project couldn’t be in the actual city center, if it had been a full block in a residential neighborhood with a singular alley running N/S, it would have made more sense contextually. Maybe people will pay upwards of a million dollars to look at the back parking lot of a government building? Knock yourselves out.

mark, wrong link? that’s not a block of row houses.

@John532 – Yes, I agree.. I think these would be beautiful over looking Moore Square! Who knows.. maybe one day these can continue west on S Bloodworth, E Hargett, and S Person. Then we could actually have more of a brownstone district.

I went in the end unit Sunday … it is awesome. The rooftop is unbelievable. I would stay up there all the time!

@John,
The location isn’t ideal, but I think the view from the rooftop terraces will be excellent. Other than the courthouse and Lincoln, most of the other lots around this will be redeveloped in the next few years I believe, and we’ll probably see more (modern) rowhouses pop up, especially if these sell quickly.

@Steve and TheNightHawk. The government building property to the immediate west of this project is zoned DX-12 UG. One day when this project is part of a burgeoning neighborhood that would help support its price point, it could also have a 12 story building blocking the views from the rooftop and there’s nothing that the brownstone owners could do about it based on the current UDO. It would be the right of the property owner to build that high. My advise to any buyer would be to enjoy those views while they last.

@John,
I doubt that will be anytime soon, though. The federal government doesn’t even move quickly on “surplus” property, let alone an active courthouse in a growing metro area. I also don’t see a lot of money for expanding the courthouse (if that’s even necessary) on the horizon. This will be an upper-income neighborhood for a long time before that view is impacted (one thing that WILL impact it soon is the city-owned block with the Raleigh Rescue Mission).

John, all good man. We’re on the same page with minor personal preferences coming up….which is why we discuss at all 🙂
Mike, I assume you meant the Greensboro link…comes up fine for me…a block of 4 victorian identical houses with hex bay windows. Maybe what is throwing you off is that it is essentially a single building..?.. given the unit to unit brick firewalls within, I’m counting these as row houses and not an apartment block.

@mark and mike,
I was about to get all jealous about Greensboro having a cool row house district. All better now.
FWIW, Guilford County was NC’s most populace county a hundred or so years ago due to the manufacturing boom. Oh how times have changed.
@steve,
My point is that one isn’t buying a protected view of the skyline in that location.

I know what you are saying Mike, but I don’t think you know what I am saying. A block of row houses is a chunk of structure that was built at the same time…not the census block (which is both the downtown block we all know and the huge country blocks too). Many commercial buildings of Italianate of Victorian vintage are also termed ‘blocks’. I listed row house and commercial examples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Block
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlow_Block_(Portland,_Oregon)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_House_Block
I seek these things out everywhere I go…well historic districts in general…
The building you showed is full of apartment flats…I’ve been in it…its super cool…but not a row house block.

To clarify a tad….a ‘block’ in the sense I am describing can be apartment flats too…it’s just an old term for a chunk of building. Your link could have been termed a block, but by it’s looks was probably built shortly after the ‘block’ term went out of fashion/use (Tudor-ish looking…probably 1920’s….Matthew Brown could correct me on any of this should he read this)
Link to one of the best apartment blocks I’ve seen personally https://oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/barber_block_portland_/#.WO2aM7SIf8E

John,
That’s fair. I think by the time the courthouse changes, it’ll be a very desirable location on its own, even without the view. (And boy it’ll be a fight when 19 rich families have their viewshed threatened).

Also, downtown might not have blocks of rowhouses, but I’d be willing to bet money that the Exploris lot will be one in a few years.

For some time now I have speculated that the Wintershaven Apartments (section 8 housing) along with Winter Square would be sold and redeveloped. This is block due east of the Lincoln.

If I’m reading this posting correctly, this 2.13 acre lot is now under contract, listed for about 6 mil. Zoned RX-3 and NX-3-DE

http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/Looplink/Profile/Profile.aspx?stid=naiglobal&LID=19588548&linkcode=31732

Stew,
Good find! That’s like $2.8 mil an acre and includes the apartments and the little commercial district too. It looks like Wintershaven has 61 units, so whatever replaces it will probably be less dense.

I’ll be curious to see how long it stays on the market.

@Steve,
For that price, I doubt that the property gets too terribly less dense or the developer won’t make any money on it. The zoning allows for more than 10 units per acre on the RX-3 part and mixed use on the NX-3-DE side. It should be interesting to see what get proposed for that location when it sells.

I wonder when it’ll get picked up. Loopnet has listed this property on S Blount St for about 2 years. It’s directly across from the Palladium Plaza residences (in the Red Hat building), seems like a prime location, but it’s still on the market. http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/19223026/415-South-Blount-Street-Raleigh-NC/

@Steve,
Thanks for sharing that link to that property for sale.
It’s crazy to me that that parcel between Blount and Person is only zoned DX-7-UG. It’s just a block and a half from Fayetteville St! The city is purposely pushing development west of Fayetteville St. and curtailing it to the east.

I couldn’t agree more. This is almost directly across the street from a 250 ft building. I could understand if the east side of the block were zoned DX-12 or Dx-7, but the Blount street half should be DX-20 (granted, if I have my way, there would be no height restrictions at all on Blount St).

Maybe someone with the vision and desire to push pass the ridiculous zoning standard will pursue a decent sized tower there. I agree something 20 stories or more would fit perfectly and add the much needed width to our skyline. Isnt Redhat rumored to be expanding in the near future? Maybe they will get with a developer to build on that site…

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