Dissecting Hotel Designs in the latest Administrative Alternates

These Administrative Alternates for Design basically write the blog post themselves.

Looking at two AADs submitted on the city’s development website, one for the Hilton Dual-Brand on Davie Street and the other for the Courtyard Marriott on McDowell Street, it looks like the building design is asking for an exception to the standards defined in the UDO. It also comes with more renderings which I’ve posted here.

I may take some time to understand the requests and get into them in the comments but for now, I want to share the information being presented as well as the included renderings.

From AAD-005-17:

The proposed Hilton Dual Brand Hotel at the corner of West Davies and South McDowell streets is a dual branded hotel with shared lobby and facilities. The hotel has a total of 259 guest rooms (Garden in has 136 rooms, Homewood Suites has 123 rooms). The parking garage provides 139 spaces (including 4 regular H/C and 1 H/C van spaces) The building has 260,890 gross square feet over 13 floors.

The lobby and public functions are at the ground floor and much of the second floor. The front of the second floor interfaces with the Lobby, with the support spaces internal to the building mass. The garage entrance is at the west, upper portion of Davie Street, leads to the back of the second floor and feeds the garage floors on the 3rd and 4th levels. The 5th-14th floors are the guestroom floors that are split between the brands; Inn and Hilton Homewood Suites. The 14th floor also has a restaurant with two large patio areas open to the public. The north patio area terminates at an unoccupiable vegetative roof.

Through material use and detailing, the building’s base is articulated in stone and extends the base in brick to the 5 th floor cornice. This lower base section uses larger scale geometry to express solidity of the building. Above the 5 th floor cornice, the middle of the building expresses fenestrated massing in EIFS with varied depth planes and molding profiles. The building corners continue in brick to the 10 th floor, visually framing and anchoring the EIFS body of the building. The corner of the building over the main entrance also steps back at this point giving deference to the street. The upper three floors over the brick corners terminate lower that the EIFS body of the building. The 14 th floor at the street corner and McDowell Street steps back into a patio, giving depth and articulates the roof line so it does not appear as a monolithic mass.

The two story entrance lobby insets at the corner on both street elevations for a significant width, offering an unobstructed view through curtainwall glazing into the lobby, bar and restaurant. The second floor public functions are open to the two story lobby. The areas west (on Davies Street) and north (on McDowell Street) also have two story windows that partially screen the interior from exterior at the restaurant (Davies St) and the pool deck (McDowell).

Rendering of Dual Brand Hilton Garden, corner of McDowell and Davie Streets

Corner of McDowell and Davie Streets. Click for larger

Rendering of Dual Brand Hilton Garden, view from Davie Street

View from Davie Street. Click for larger

Rendering of Dual Brand Hilton Garden, view from McDowell Street

View from McDowell Street. Click for larger

Rendering of Dual Brand Hilton Garden, back of the building

Back of the building. Click for larger

Sad to see the more glassy version of this project, shown here in this May 2015 post, go away.

IF you want to get in to the details including floor plans, take a look at the AAD document.

Next, let’s take a look at AAD-003-17, referring to the for McDowell Street. Only renderings with this one. As discussed in a recent post about this project, these may be slightly out-of-date, specifically that brown-brick “hat and drapes” shown below.

Rendering for downtown Raleigh Courtyard Marriot

Corner of McDowell and Cabarrus Streets. Click for larger

Rendering for downtown Raleigh Courtyard Marriot

Looking east down Cabarrus Street. Click for larger

Rendering for downtown Raleigh Courtyard Marriot

Back of the building on Gale Street. Click for larger

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Comments

It’s unfortunate for our downtown that Courtyard went with another design. The design posted in 2015 would have raised the bar on hotel design and maybe ushered in a new area of design period for all development in downtown.

To be fair, a bunch of people complained about the original design too. My thought looking at this new one…. wow, red brick and white stucco. I wonder if there’s any other hotels downtown like that being built. Oh, wait!

WOW. This is depressing.

@ Leo
As always, you do an awesome job bringing the information to the masses. My personal thanks!

They could incorporate more, like meeting space and more retail? But I have to agree, brown brick and stucco…ugh!
Maybe in 20 years they will revisit and make changes. I am reminded of the former Bank of America building on Fayetteville st when it was updated that added a column of glass. I wish that this owner/developer would have been more proactive though.
Hey everyone, I’ll meet you in downtown Raleigh at the “brown” hotel…Lol

@Robert – the brown hotel? Which one?

This design won’t impress those on the blog who hunger for edgier design, and it certainly won’t make the height-lovers happy, but all in all, it’s another new tooth in the steadily improving downtown streetscape – it gets my approval! It sure beats the heck out of the windowless AT&T building a few blocks north.

@Jake – “Wow. This is depressing”. Jake, ever since I noticed your post ragging at all of us for arguing “like twelve-year-olds” and how you “hate the negativity”, you’ve posted nothing but cryin’ and whinin’ yourself. But I’m not hassling you too much, my friend – I DO want to hear your honest opinions, and I do enjoy your posts!

I’m pretty upset about the hilton garden inn. I really liked the first rendering with the glass and the curve. I don’t mind brick but I don’t understand the use of stucco.

Soccer Update : Charlotte County Commissioners voted 5 to 3 in favor of funding 44 million $ towards a new stadium / Charlotte City Council voted 5 to 3 against funding 44 million $ toward a new soccer stadium !

And yet Raleigh remains quiet. I hope there is one hell of a proposal coming from Malik and the City in the next 4 days. I’m the ‘charlotte usa’ contingent is desperately trying to figure how to pull something out of their rear; screw taxpayer desires. Heard last week that the reason the nascar family got involved was to ‘prevent Raleigh from getting the franchise’. Wouldn’t surprise me. I”m a bit baffled how a white redneck ‘stars & bars’ “event”(I simply can’t refer to 2000 left turns as a ‘sport’) owners all of a sudden think they should be MLS owners.

The worst thing about the new Hilton Garden is the lipstick on a pig way they try to make it sound nice. Its not nice. Its standard. So standard its really just a suburban hotel plopped into downtown. EIFS should be outlawed downtown (I do think that is over regulation, but good god I hate that stuff…). Retail spaces facing Davie would have been ideal, to create more retail mass complementing the El spaces and the fact that Davie is a low speed street makes window browsing safer and more pleasant. Alas, no dice. But these are mild complaints. I’ll take it and move on…

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